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Topic: Questions are not allowed?
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Todd Field
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posted 11. October 2002 19:44
The moderator wrote:
> Sorry to be so harsh, but ISCID is not the
> forum to come and beat up on your favorite (or > least favorite) theory.
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> This thread is being closed.
Sir,
I resent the implication that I was "beating up" on anything or anybody. I tried to make it clear at the beginning that was not my intent.
All I did was ask a question about something in an article that Dr. Dembski wrote, something posted on his website.
Why do you object to the question?
Why not let Dr. Dembski decide if he wishes to post a quick answer?
Wouldn't it be "postitive and productive" for him to to answer the question concerning apparent logical fallacy in his article, if he can?
To paraphrase Adlae Stevenson, I am prepared to wait quietly, until hell freezes over, if necessary.
Best regards,
Todd Field
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jhappel
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posted 11. October 2002 20:25
You said
[Argumentum ad ignorantium means "argument from ignorance". This fallacy
occurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it
has not been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that
something must be false because it has not been proved true.]
I don't think Dr. Dembski is saying that being unable to demonstrate that the flagella could have arisen by natural processes proves ID. He is saying you can falsify ID by demonstrating natural processes could account for the flagella. A big difference. So ID is falsifiable. However evolution is not falsifiable because you can always plead ignorance throughout eternity.
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Jack
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posted 12. October 2002 00:27
jhappel>> I don't think Dr. Dembski is saying that being unable to demonstrate that the flagella could have arisen by natural processes proves ID. He is saying you can falsify ID by demonstrating natural processes could account for the flagella. A big difference. So ID is falsifiable. However evolution is not falsifiable because you can always plead ignorance throughout eternity. <<
Good point. Intelligent agents can easily produce things with machine-like complexity, however, it hasn't been demonstrated that non-intelligent processes can do the same, therefore, ID is a better explanation for the origin of machine-like complexity than is blind watchmaking.
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andyg
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posted 12. October 2002 05:03
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Good point. Intelligent agents can easily produce things with machine-like complexity, however, it hasn't been demonstrated that non-intelligent processes can do the same, therefore, ID is a better explanation for the origin of machine-like complexity than is blind watchmaking.
This is actually no t really true - or is at the very least a misleading generalization. The only intelligent agents that we know of that can produce things with machine-like complexity are humans. We don't have any evidence at all that there are other intelligent things that can make machines.
Since a) humans cannot make biological machines of the sort that ID proponents talk about and b) humans appeared on this planet well after said machines first appeared, the idea that ID is a better explanation than non-intelligent processes is questionable.
AndyG
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posted 12. October 2002 08:19
http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000076
That is correct, we have a strict policy on how new threads must start. This IS NOT A GENERAL DISCUSSION BOARD.
In particular, we are extremely thankful to people like Dr. Dembski who occasionally stop by and participate on our board. The only way we allow others to solicit responses from people like Dr. Dembski is by making positive, thought provoking posts. The question in your thread was redundant (the criticism has been made hundreds of times) and would simply lead to old, worn, rote arguments from both sides.
The point of this discussion board is to develop fruitful hypotheses in a positive manner. There are other discussion boards where your post would be more appropriate. Again, please take a look at our new user guide listed on the main brainstorms page.
http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000076
From this point forward, if you would like to discuss my moderating policy, email me: moderator@iscid.org
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