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Topic: John A. Davison: An Evolutionary Manifesto: A New Hypothesis For Organic Change
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nosivad
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posted 13. September 2007 03:23
For some reason DaveScot aka David Springer has chosen Ben Stein's blog to invite me back to Uncommon Descent. You will find my response there - message #1238.
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posted 13. September 2007 09:29
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20738173/?GT1=10357#storyContinued
The above report supports my repeated claim that progressive evolution is finished and all that we see is rampant extinction. I see no sign that this can be reversed.
A brief reading suggests that, for endangered species, the culprit in most cases changes in their niche such as climate change, destruction of habitat, new more virulent disease organisms, etc. This is not antithetical to standard evolutionary theory.
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posted 13. September 2007 09:33
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For some reason DaveScot aka David Springer has chosen Ben Stein's blog to invite me back to Uncommon Descent. You will find my response there - message #1238.
Your reply has not yet appeared. I hope you have just posted a simple apology for perceived uncivil behavior. I, for one, would like to see you back at UD. They could certainly do with an injection of fresh insight.
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posted 13. September 2007 09:36
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Springer's latest denunciation of man made global warming has produced one response. No one dares question his judgement for fear of instant banishment. I know as I have been there, done that.
It does seem odd that a prerequisite for subscribing to UD-style intelligent design is one must also deny the mounting evidence for climate change.
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posted 13. September 2007 09:53
Arden Chatfield over at Panda's Thumb joined that blog in January 2006. In the 573 days that have passed since January 1, 2006 he has presented 3753 messages? I can't believe it, but that is what it says right next to his name!
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 14. September 2007 03:03
That many messages? Are you jealous of the fact that each message had different content? As, Davidson, you seem to repeat the same message over and over and over.
I love it so!
Sock it to me!
Etc Etc.
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posted 14. September 2007 05:30
This forum is really getting low class when it lets the dregs of the intellectual world like oldmanintheskydidn'tdoit and arjun/Alan Fox hijack threads dealing with my published papers. Don't expect me to respond to either of them or any other emissary from Panda's Thumb.
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posted 15. September 2007 06:29
http://expelledthemovie.com/blog/2007/08/21/bens-blog/
I think you will find my comments there very germaine to the purposes of this forum which have in the past been directed at the evidence for Intelligent Design, something I regard as a given. Now this forum allows the enemies of its purposes openly to hijack my threads.
As you know from the above link, DaveScot/David Springer has demanded a public apology from me as a requisite to readmission to Uncommon Descent, a forum from which he has twice banned me and twice removed all my published papers from the sideboard. He most recently claimed they had been restored there, apparently as some kind of gift to me as an incentive to return to Uncommon Descent for some more of his chronic abuse. I can't find those papers myself. So much for Springer's veracity.
I will consider readmission only if it is offered by the titular head of Uncommon Descent, William Dembski, who also was instrumental in initiating "brainstorms."
I am of the opinion that everything that transpires here at "brainstorms" has the tacit approval of William Dembski. If that is true then he is also responsible for turning over this forum to the animals from Panda's Thumb, a recent development as anyone familiar with this forum must agree.
I have given Dembski 24 hours to either readmit me to Uncommon Descent under the terms I outlined or to acquire me as an intractable enemy whose sole purpose will be to expose him and his forum as an anti-intellectual haven for those who demand a Judeo-Christian interpretation of the evolutionary sequence. Dembski's association with David Springer is an affront to rational discourse and the purposes of both Uncommon Descent and "brainstorms."
If this means that I will be denied voice here, that will only further prove that Dembski and the rest of the "ID movement" have no need for the science I have summarized in my several papers, a summary which represents a synthesis of some of the greatest minds of the post Darwinian era, not one of whom found it necessary to implement a personal God as a basis for his science.
It is a sad day when the present state of intellectual exchange has reached such a low level that criticism is not allowed on any of the major venues dealing with the great mystery of organic evolution.
"When little is known with certainty, every man is an expert."
John A. Davison
"Men believe most what they least understand."
Montaigne
"Let my enemies destroy each other."
Salvador Dali
That is much too slow a process for this old investigator who intends to dedicate the rest of his energies to helping that process along.
"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source... They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres.
Albert Einstein
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable"
John A. Davison
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posted 15. September 2007 10:35
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire
At least no one can accuse you of inconsistency, John. (Except when demanding the same treatment for others that you are complaining about yourself receiving.)
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posted 15. September 2007 11:55
I see that the management of this forum, whoever that is, now approves and accordingly promotes the irrelevant comments of Alan Fox/arjun who at one time was banned from participation here. I wonder what caused this change of policy. I also wonder if this query will be acknowledged with an answer. I shall soon see and respond accordingly.
A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 16. September 2007 06:32
Since I have heard nothing from Dembski, I guess I will never again grace Uncommon Descent with my presence. I certainly have no intention of making a public apology to DaveScot/David Springer for any abuse I may have heaped on him in a private email only he and I have ever seen. Such a demonstration of egomaniacal, infantile gall is unprecedented in my experience. Dembski should be ashamed to have such a representative.
It seems my rejection of a personal God as requisite for the Prescribed Evolutionary Hypothesis renders that hypothesis unacceptable at Uncommon Descent. I wonder how many other hypotheses have failed to be recognized for the same reason. I can think of none myself.
I will take this opportunuity to disclose some of my sources who were the REAL originators of Intelligent Design, none of whom regarded it as an inference but rather presented it as disclosed reality, fundamental to their interpretation of the living world. I will present them in their own words so there can be no question of meaning. Where appropriate I have used caps for emphasis only.
I believe the earliest was William Bateson who in 1914 described evolution as "an unpacking of an original complex which contained within itself THE WHOLE RANGE of diversity which living things present."
cited by Berg in Nomogenesis, page 359.
The next year, 1915 in his book, Mimicry in Butterflies, page 152, Reginald C. Punnett echoed Bateson as follows -
"Natural selection is a real factor in connection with mimicry, but its function is TO CONSERVE AND RENDER PREPONDERANT AN ALREADY EXISTENT LIKENESS, not to build up that likeness through the accumulation of small variations, as is so generally assumed."
Note that Punnett not only endorses a pre-existent design but dipatches natural selection at the same time!
Next came Leo Berg who, in 1922, summarized his view in a single sentence.
"Evolution is in a great measure an unfolding of PRE-EXISTING rudiments."
Nomogenesis, page 406.
Berg, like Punnett, also properly identified natural selection on the same page, again in a single sentence.
"The struggle for existence and natural selection are not progressive agencies, but being, on the contrary, CONSERVATIVE, MAINTAIN THE STANDARD."
Next we have Otto Schindewolf in 1950. In this case the emphasis is his, originally in italics.
"This leads to the conclusion that THE MAIN FEATURES OF THE EVOLUTIONARY TREND WERE LAID OUT RIGHT FROM THE START WITH THE ABRUPT, DISCONTINUOUS PRODUCTION OF THE TYPE, AND WITH EVOLUTIONARY POTENTIAL BEING RESTRICTED RIGHT FROM THE START TO CERTAIN PATHS."
Basic Questions in Paleontology, page 360.
Pierre Grasse presented his interpretation of a purposeful evolution in the form of a direct challenge to Darwinian dogma in 1973 in French, translated into English in 1977. Again the emphasis is his.
"But according to Darwinian doctrine and Crick's central dogma, DNA is not only the depository and distributor of the information but its SOLE CREATOR. I do not believe this to be true."
These then were the REAL originators of what has recently come to be called the "Intelligent Design movement." Intelligent Design is a given, obvious to any serious observer of both the living and non-living world. It requires no defence, no explanation, no clarification and it certainly is not subject to debate as so many forums and blogs insist. To deny it, as the Darwinian model MUST DO, is nothing short of intellectual insanity, an insanity required by a mindset, probably congenital, of a disadvantaged, thoroughly unscientific world view as exhibited now as in the past by those not only blind but deaf as well to Einstein's "music of the spheres."
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 16. September 2007 09:15
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=46ed356e68ecba9f;act=ST;f=14;t=5152;st=60
Not content making a perfect fool of himself at Ben Stein's blog, Glen Davidson insists on repeating his drivel for the benefit of his wildly applauding cronies at "After The Bar Closes," aka "Wesley Elsberry's Last Stand," with P.Z. Myers' "Pharyngula" one of the few surviving bastions of the grandest, most infantile, most ill founded, and by far the most enduring hoax in the history of science - Godless Darwinism.
"Never in the history of human conflict have so many owed so little to so many."
after Winston Churchill
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 16. September 2007 17:28
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=46edaac1064a4033;act=ST;f=14;t=5188;st=90
I recommend this page where you will find "our own" Alan Fox behaving like the pompous ignorant boor he really is toward my friend and ally Martin. Also note Arden Chatfield's use of the F word. Elsberry runs a real class act at After The Bar Closes, with P.Z. Myers' Pharyngula just about the only surviving vestiges of Darwinian mysticism.
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 18. September 2007 09:20
I see that now while Demsbki is away and David Springer is in complete charge (his words), that it is now the policy to introduce unsigned threads at Uncommon Descent. If I were Springer I wouldn't sign my threads either as no one dare take exception with anything he says.
I also see that he has belatedly introduced my papers again after twice removing them in his chronic fits of uncontrolled pique. Maybe this time he will leave them there but I wouldn't bet on it. Like Old Faithful and genital herpes he periodically erupts!
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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