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Topic: John A. Davison: An Evolutionary Manifesto: A New Hypothesis For Organic Change
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nosivad
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posted 22. December 2007 15:19
http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/why-global-warming-pundits-are-so-shrill/#more-2909
DaveScot/David Springer is at it again, this time quoting a newspaper editorial by an adjunct scholar associated with the National Center for Policy Analysis. His name is David Deming and he is a geophysicist and associate professor of Arts and Sciences at the University of Oklahoma.
The fact that the man is publishing his conclusions as a newspaper editorial gives me pause as to his credentials and his motives.
Springer's sources are often questionable. He has quoted Fred Singer, a Moonie notorious for questioning links between UV and melanoma as well as for denying the harmful effects of second hand smoke. Singer also listed signatories that never existed to a document claiming that climate change in not a threat. That is chicanery pure and simple.
It is easy these days to find sources that agree with ones preconceived notions and God knows Springer has plenty of those. He is a self proclaimed expert on just about everything.
I will stick with real scientists myself, those without a hidden agenda and with published credentials that have survived peer revue. I once again call your attention to such a scientist in the person of Tim Flannery, author of "The Weather Makers," His book is a frightening appraisal of what we are doing to the planet, presented without political bias and fully documented.
The mere fact that the deniers had to descend on the Bali Conference with their idiotic "Have the courage to say no" is proof that this debate has nothing to do with the scientific evidence.
DaveScot/David Springer now seems actually gleeful as he rubs it in to us poor souls who have taken global warming and its correlative changes seriously.
The fact remains that the earth is undergoing changes linked to human activity that are taking place more rapidly than at any other time in the history of the planet. I will never be convinced that 7 billion large mammals coupled with an industrialized highly energy demanding economy can long survive without permanently destroying the environment that made that unprecedented growth possible.
There is only one solution which is to reduce the earth's human population by two orders of magnitude to roughly what it was prior to the industrial revolution a scant two centuries ago, approximately 70 million. I see no other alternative. None of the proposed preventive measures will have any effect whatosever and that reduction WILL take place in the present century most probably due to pandemic disease, no matter what we do now.
I would be happy to continue this discussion at my new blog - john.a.davison.free.fr/
where I have introduced a thread on global warming. I doubt that will transpire as pompous pontificators prefer to hold forth secure in their bailiwicks surrounded by a clientele that dares not challenge the "groupthink" mentality so endemic to internet forums, a mentality that must ban its critics in order to survive.
"Birds of a feather flock together."
Cervantes
In the meantime I recommend Tim Flannery's book for an unbiased, objective analysis of a complex and pressing problem presented by a first class naturalist and scientist.
"He that I am reading seems always to have the most force."
Montaigne
Be careful who you read, especially in the ephemeral, highly politicized and polarized world of cyberdumb.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 23. December 2007 09:26
http://eteam.ncpa.org/about/david-deming
Please note that listed among the EXPERTS is S. Fred Singer!
"Birds of a feather flock together."
Cervantes
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 27. December 2007 19:36
John
If you want some serious response, suggest carefully evaluating both sides of the global warming issue. See:
http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/400-scientists-disputed-man-made-global-warming-us-senate-report/
Hyperbole on needing to "reduce" the earth's population by TWO orders of magnitude is neither compassionate nor imaginative.
With some applied "intelligent design" there are solutions. To say there are none is to bury one's head in the sand.
Besides, the major threat facing the world's economy is Peak Oil, not global warming.
The temperature will go up, and the temperature will go down again - but when we have consumed half the cheap oil, we are in for a major challenge of converting bitumen to gasoline or generate solar fuels fast enough to not sink our economies.
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posted 27. December 2007 20:35
David Hagen
I have my sources and the folks at Uncommon Descent have theirs. I just commented on that forum on my blog -
http://john.a.davison.free.fr/?p=11#comment-34
The numbers of scientists holding a position means nothing to me and never will.
Thanks for commenting. It gets very lonely here!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
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posted 27. December 2007 20:56
I am not interested in "serious response." I am not an evangelist. My purpose is to establish my convictions as a matter of record. That is what science is all about, what it has always been all about. If no one chooses to respond that is just fine with me. No one responded to Leo Berg, Otto Schindewolf, Richard B. Goldschmidt, Pierre Grasse, William Bateson and Robert Broom either. The Darwinians didn't even respond to fellow Darwinians, Theodosius Dobzhansky and Julian Huxley when they both exposed the Darwinian model as a miserable failure! The most common reason an adversary doesn't respond is fear, fear that he might prove to be dead wrong.
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 31. December 2007 10:41
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Uncommon Descent hasn't responded to me either except to ban me three times. Nor has The Discovery Institute responded to my requests to introduce comments. It is not just the atheist Darwinians that find me unacceptable. Like my distinguished sources, I too am unacceptable to both sides of this idiotic debate, a debate that should never have been introduced. Debate is for debating teams, not scientists, and God knows we have plenty of the former. Intelligent Design is not now and never was an "inference." It is a mandatory given from which all real progress flows. Those who cannot see it are the same ones who are congenitally deaf to Einstein's "music of the spheres." They are not all atheists.
"Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source....They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres."
Albert Einstein
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 01. January 2008 09:19
http://john.a.davison.free.fr/?p=11#comment-46
I recommend this link and in particular message # 19 for all Global Warming Deniers, (GWDers), especially DaveScot aka David Springer and David L Hagen aka DLH. They may respond here or at my new blog -
john.a.davison.free.fr/
Now please do not disappoint me as it makes me irritable. Emerge from the security of Uncommon Descent to prove to the world that you are confident of your position.
I am betting neither of you will show for the same reason that the Darwinians won't come out either. It is called FEAR, the fear that one might be dead wrong.
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
"Conscience doth make cowards of us all."
Shakespeare
"Discretion is the better part of valour."
Shakespeare
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John Davison
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posted 06. January 2008 05:35
I am interested in communicating with Michael Denton, author of "Evolution: A theory in Crisis" and "Nature's Destiny." He is no longer listed as a faculty member at the University of Otaga in New Zealand. Does anyone have his current email address?
Thanks.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
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posted 07. January 2008 19:00
I have not yet read Dembski and Wells' new book -
"The Design of Life." In the interest of precedence I wonder if they are aware that Renato Dulbecco, Nobel Laureate (1975) and discoverer of reverse transcriptase, wrote a book with the same title - The Design of Life - in 1987.
"There is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable.
John A. Davison
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