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Topic: John A. Davison: An Evolutionary Manifesto: A New Hypothesis For Organic Change
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nosivad
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posted 23. July 2008 06:05
Thanks Dave.
Aside from "rubbing your nose in it," you have been fairly civil for a change.
As for the "sunspot hypothesis," I yield to Tim Flannery -
"Sunspots are slightly cooler than the rest of the sun's surface, yet when there are lots of them, Earth paradoxically seems to warm up. A scarcity of sunspots is thought to account for about 40% of the temperature decrease experienced during the so-called Maunder Minimum of 1645-1715. During this period Europe's temperature plummeted, causing the Thames and the Dutch Inselmeer regularly to freeze over. The role that sunspots played played in those changes, however, is still challenged by some, for despite the coincidence in timing, no testable physical mechanism has yet been identified that would allow sunspots to affect the temperature of our planet."
The Weather Makers, page 43.
In Ethan Allen's day, Lake Champlain regularly froze over. Traveling fom New York to Vermont he fell of his sledge, probably drunk, contracted pneumonia and died. When I first arrived in Vermont in 1966 I recall that Lake Champlain froze over briefly a couple of times but hasn't done so since for at least 40 years.
I am fascinated with your suggestion that we will be in for a cold period. I don't believe that for a millisecond. Even if that should take place as a transient event, it would in no way detract from the fact that man has drastically and, I believe, irreversibly altered the physiology of the planet primarily through the burning of fossil fuels. To continue to deny this, as you and many others do, is irresponsible, ill informed. pig-headed and dangerous.
I have predicted the demise of our civilization in the present century. I reached that conclusion later to discover that others, far more informed than I, had done the same.
"I am not a pessimist and have aways imagined that good in the end would prevail. When our Astronomer Royal, Sir Martin Rees, now President of the Royal Society, published in 2004 his book "Our Final Century," he dared to think and write about the end of civilization and the human race. I enjoyed it as a good read, full of wisdom , but took it as no more than a speculation among friends and nothing to lose sleep over.
I was so wrong; it was prescient, for now the evidence coming in from the watchers around the world brings news of an imminent shift in our climate towards one that could easily be described as Hell: so hot, so deadly that only a handful of the teeming billions now alive will survive....."
James Lovelock, The Revenge of Gaia, page 147.
"Mankind fiddled while earth burned."
John A, Davison
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posted 25. July 2008 06:30
David Springer
Well so far your sources, Fred Singer, a proven charlatan, Roy Spencer, an IDist, whatever that means, Freeman Dyson, a theoretical physicist and David Evans, no longer a consultant on climatology, have proven to be ineffective in countering the undeniable evidence that man is destroying his environment and with it his civilization. You are on the losing side of this issue David.
Your problem is your incapacity to admit you were wrong about anything. Now, generous soul that I am, I am giving you a chance publicly to recant. "This is a limited time offer."
Also be sure to visit Overwhelming Evidence where Denyse O'Leary is now allowing criticism of basic issues, something impossible at Uncommon Descent which you continue to dominate with your arrogant, pompous, tyrannical methods.
I love it so!
"Mankind fiddled while earth burned."
John A. Davison
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posted 25. July 2008 11:01
John,
I have nothing to recant.
You might find this interesting:
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/cosmoclimatology/a-brief-summary-on-cosmoclimatology
The sunspot/climate interaction works like this:
Cosmic rays from outside the solar system bombard the earth to a greater or lesser extent depending on various factors. These factors include where in the galaxy our sun happens to be passing through, the rate of star formation, and the number & proximity of supernova. The background level of cosmic rays tends to change over very long timescales so for recent history we can more or less consider that factor a constant.
When sunspot activity is high the electromagnetic field of the sun is stronger than when sunspot activity is low. The sun's electromagnetic field, which envelops the earth, deflects cosmic rays.
Cosmic rays have been experimentally shown to increase cloud formation by ionizing the atmosphere which produces aerosol particles around which water condenses. Higher sunspot activity thus leads to fewer clouds and more sunlight reaching the surface.
Sunspot activity has been very high in past century but it appears now to be entering a period of very low activity. Sunspot cycle 23 is just about over but it lasted longer and had less intensity than normal. Sunspot cycle 24 is late showing up and appears to be the weakest cycle in centuries. We should know soon if the sunspot hypothesis holds water or not. If it's true the global average temperature will begin falling. Colder is worse than warmer as far as adverse effects on civilization.
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posted 25. July 2008 12:49
Cosmic rays yet!
"Surely you jest."
John McEnroe
It is hard to believe isn't it?
I love it so!
"Mankind fiddled while earth burned."
John A. Davison
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posted 28. July 2008 06:06
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=488da63a0008036c;act=ST;f=14;t=4697;st=120
Please note that I have made the "big time" at After the Bar Closes, complete with the f word. It will be fun watching this unfold if Wesley Elsberry doesn't put a stop to any further commentary that is. I am betting that is exactly what he will do. Like Myers and Dawkins he is terrified of me and my sources. We are not allowed to exist.
It doesn't get any better than this.
I love it so!
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 29. July 2008 12:23
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/city_workers_in_birmingham_are.php
This is beautiful stuff at Pharyngula. Don't miss it. I managed to reach PeeZee via his one-way communication system with the following -
"Atheism IS mysticism, dummie. Anyone stupid enough to deny the past existence of one or more Creators is not only a mystic but a damn fool."
I hope others will do the same.
"A past evolution is undeniable, a present evolution undemonstrable."
John A. Davison
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posted 29. July 2008 13:57
This is especially for you Springer.
http://john.a.davison.free.fr/?p=11#comment-646
comment #126
How do you respond to this devastating summary of our future? It is safe for you to speak here on this "obscure" forum. No one will pay any attention anyway. Better yet, say something about it on Uncommon Descent so I can copy it here and elsewhere.
It doesn't get any better than this.
I love it so!
"Mankind fiddled while earth burned."
John A. Davison
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posted 07. August 2008 06:34
http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/global-warming-alarmists-wrong-again/#comments
DaveScot/David Springer is at it again, still in a state of denial concerning global warming and climate change. He and others like him will continue clutching at straws until it is much too late, which, in my opinion, it already is.
Springer is so desperate to prove he is right - "I love being right" - that he must interrupt his own thread with more wishful thinking. As everybody knows, the "authors" at UD have special dispensations. They have the pristine white backgrounds while the subdued peons post against a gall bladder green. The "authors" can also ban anyone they feel like. It is all so very revealing. One can easily tell who the Blog Czars are and naturally they all think alike.
It is hard to believe isn't it?
"Mankind fiddled while earth burned."
John A. Davison
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