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Topic: Life beyond the DNA
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keerthivasan
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posted 10. December 2003 06:08
It is a well established fact that DNA is the molecule of life carrying the essential features of heridity and what we should be. But, intuitively it also tells a fact at the bottom of the mind that is it really the DNA that makes us what we are? They code for genes that show up as who/how we should be.....physically but considering the mental characters that we have like happiness,ego,anger,faith,kindness and love... are these also coded by the DNA or modified as and when they occur? It is a well established fact that apart from heridity the environment and surroundings in which a child grows up determines what he should be. Research shows that a if a pregnant women sees positive things and good environment while carrying the baby, the child will develop into a distinct child. Anything contrary to this is found to affect not only the emotional and mental, but also the physical characteristics of the child. So indeed we are not our genes but something profound, beyond the gene. What is 'the thing' that makes us live? even corpses have the same DNA and proteins (comparing the moment before and after death) but what is there in a lioving person that is not there in a dead person that makes him distinct? the answer can be derived if one looks into some philosophy and metaphysics. There is a magnetic field that circulates within us. this magnetic field is continuously in interaction with its surrounding and other magnetic fields also from the cosmic and earth magnetic fields. this is what is life.
I should make a note of caution here: this is not some philosopher's theories or something to be brushed away as not useful to science. this is a science. Einstein said,
"Science without philosophy is blind and philosophy without science is lame"
The science of homeopathy assumes that the body has a circulating magnetic field and when there is a derangement of this magneitc field that diseases result. now that is why these medicines increase in power with successive dilution as the magnetic field get very well activated.. maybe that is why naturer created everything in abundance and not in microscopic quantities. Now some experiments have been devised that have proved that there is something called soul. for believers it is soul. for scientists it is the magnetic field that can produce a force. If we assume that life indeed is a magnetism circulating within us, a lot of puzzles could be solved. this magnetism manipulates the DNA storing things and deleting others much like using it as a 'tape' as memory. We get sensory inputs from the sense organs by expending some magnetic energy that is reflected after hitting the opposite body and returned with some 'character' that our systems uses to 'sense' it. That is why we save a lot of energy by not using our senses, e.g seeing, hearing and physical movement. Whatever we see, feel and experience is being stored as a magnetic field and circulating inside our body while saving certain information like survival essentials,.environmental response factors, and in general anything, that is needed is coded and written on to the DNA so that it can function on it's own in another magnetic system, the progeny, in the absence of the creating magnetic system - the parents. this also explains why we dont get our parents or ancestors memories - but we only do get the bare essentials necessary to maintain our survival.
This issue is only being raised by me and answered with respect to certain events/occurences however many other questions can be solved by thinking on similar lines and do hope this message leads to some sort of useful deductions and ideas regarding the origin and maintenance of life beyond the DNA. I am sorry i cant offer any references but i can get references as we proceed with the discussion.
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RBH
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posted 10. December 2003 20:33
When one reads material like this, one is inevitably drawn to think about empirical tests of some of the claims.
For example, keerthivasan wrote quote:
There is a magnetic field that circulates within us. this magnetic field is continuously in interaction with its surrounding and other magnetic fields also from the cosmic and earth magnetic fields.
If this is the case, how is it that magnetic compasses work very well when held in one's hand? That is, why doesn't that conjectured circulating magnetic field within human bodies show up as systematic deviations of a compass when it is near a human body? If there is a circulating magnetic field within human bodies, it seems to me a high school student of average intelligence could map it using a small hand compass, or even a magnetized needle supported by the surface tension of a cup of water. Of course, we would expect that two such high school students, each mapping the circulating magnetic field independently, would produce similar maps. That is, if such a circulating magnetic field exists in human bodies, measurements of its effects should be independently replicable. Are they?
RBH
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keerthivasan
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posted 11. December 2003 04:50
Hello RBH,
First i should rather thank you for your criticism. you have asked that why the effect of this magnetic field is not present and our compass holding hand doesnt "feel" the field. A probable answer might be that the field is very small that there is no appreciable effect to detect it. Frankly the absence of a suitable device to measure small levels of something, for example electric or magnetic fields does not mean that it is not there. How else do you explain how clairvoyants and those who possess ESP powers can perceive? these can be explained by the magnetic field theory. Two people are together such that their magnetic fields interact. The second person normally cannot know what the other person thinks, because his mag field is not trained enough to perceive it. Such is majority of the population. But if the second person has (learnt??) to train his mind (by meditation or by miracle) then the same people can know what the other person is thinking. This can only be there if there is some interaction and this is what is a magnetic field. Taking an analogy, homeopathic medicines get more powerful with each round of potentization. First potency is diluting the actual substance by 100 times in alcohol. The highest potency that this system uses as medicine is the 1000th potency and the normal dosage is 30 or 200 simply because your body will respond severely in the 1000th potency and beyond it can cause unpleasant results. This means when you dilute it something associated with it, a shadow character maybe, increases tremendous fold. In a particular intensity it interacts with our body's magnetic field. Perhaps our body does have a magnetic field but too small to be measured. The debate of the existence of 'ether' material and it's presence in space is highly controversial as apparently it's physical presence should retard the movement of planets. but it is also argued that ether is so less rigid a particle that its effect of resistance to motion inside the atom and through the space is effectively zero. again it is zero as science has not yet come up with a device to measure it. perhaps one day it might be possible to measure this magnetic field within us.
also you haven't commented on the other aspect i brought up. the question remains still, "What is life?". To answer many of the natural documented phenomenon like outer body experiences, soul attachment, etc you need something beyond the level of the DNA. The something that drives evolution ahead right from the primeval atom to the primordial soup and first formed organism. This life would and should be because of the circulation of this hypothetical ether through the body that creates this magnetic field. Analogous to the magnetic field created when electricity flows through a solenoid, etc. These are not claims but what we see and experience in our daily life and they dont need proofs. Only that we can devise?? some kind of experiments to prove this. The reason why i raise this issue here is that there are certain things that are beyond the DNA's capability that need some sort of explanation and i think this is more likely. Anybody thinking otherwise is the person most welcome in this conversation.
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RBH
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posted 11. December 2003 13:27
keerthivasan asked quote:
How else do you explain how clairvoyants and those who possess ESP powers can perceive? these can be explained by the magnetic field theory. Two people are together such that their magnetic fields interact. The second person normally cannot know what the other person thinks, because his mag field is not trained enough to perceive it. Such is majority of the population. But if the second person has (learnt??) to train his mind (by meditation or by miracle) then the same people can know what the other person is thinking. This can only be there if there is some interaction and this is what is a magnetic field.
I think this is a fruitless conversation, because we begin from radically different assumptions about what constitutes data. For example, writing as one who (decades ago) published critiques in, and refereed submissions to, The Journal of the American Psychical Association, I know of no reliable data that show that "ESP" even exists. There are scattered anecdotes, but no reliable data.
Similarly, there are now extremely sensitive magnetic detection devices, yet none has (so far) found a hint of a magnetic field bearing discriminable information about specific thoughts that is associated with human bodies. Clearly, since brain activity is at least partly electrical (ion flows in nerve impulse transmission and patterns of DC microcurrents in the dendriditc mats of cortex), there are undoubtedly magnetic by-products of that electrical activity, but there is no systematic research that shows that other humans (but not their instruments) can detect those fields from any distance.
With respect to homeopathic dilution, once again, there are no reliable data of which I am aware that demonstrates that a solution diluted down to a concentration of one molecule per liter is somehow more potent than a more concentrated solution, or that the potency of medication is an inverse function of concentration. Dosage levels clearly show non-linear curves, but I'm not aware that homeopathic data show anything like an inverse function of potency to concentration in appropriately double-blind testing.
By the way, the "debate" concerning the hypothesized ether was over 100 years ago.
So we begin from very different assumptions about knowledge bases, and I'm not willing to accept yours merely for the sake of discussion. Sorry.
RBH
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posted 11. December 2003 13:37
keerthivasan asked quote:
How else do you explain how clairvoyants and those who possess ESP powers can perceive? these can be explained by the magnetic field theory. Two people are together such that their magnetic fields interact. The second person normally cannot know what the other person thinks, because his mag field is not trained enough to perceive it. Such is majority of the population. But if the second person has (learnt??) to train his mind (by meditation or by miracle) then the same people can know what the other person is thinking. This can only be there if there is some interaction and this is what is a magnetic field.
I think this is a fruitless conversation, because we begin from radically different assumptions about what constitutes data. For example, writing as one who (decades ago) published critiques in, and refereed submissions to, The Journal of the American Psychical Association, I know of no reliable data that show that "ESP" even exists. There are scattered anecdotes, but no reliable data.
Similarly, there are now extremely sensitive magnetic detection devices, yet none has (so far) found a hint of a magnetic field bearing discriminable information about specific thoughts that is associated with human bodies. Clearly, since brain activity is at least partly electrical (ion flows in nerve impulse transmission and patterns of DC microcurrents in the dendritic mats of cortex), there are undoubtedly magnetic by-products of that electrical activity, but there is no systematic research that shows that other humans (but not their instruments) can detect those fields from any distance.
There are scattered references that suggest the existence of magnetoreceptors in a variety of species that are capable of detecting the orientation of the earth's magnetic field. But of course, that field is a whole lot stronger than the one you are imputing to thought processes, and is easily detectable by instruments. I suppose it's (faintly) possible that humans have magnetoreceptors that can sense the earth's magnetic field. There are some relevant references here.
With respect to homeopathic dilution, once again, there are no reliable data of which I am aware that demonstrates that a solution diluted down to a concentration of one molecule per liter is somehow more potent than a more concentrated solution, or that the potency of medication is an inverse function of concentration. Dosage levels clearly show non-linear curves, but I'm not aware that homeopathic data show anything like an inverse function of potency to concentration in appropriately double-blind testing.
By the way, the "debate" concerning the hypothesized ether was over 100 years ago.
So we begin from very different assumptions about knowledge bases, and I'm not willing to accept yours merely for the sake of discussion. Sorry.
RBH
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Evan
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posted 11. December 2003 14:59
There is an important issue here, I think. With all due respect to keerthivasan, his or her post accepts as true, uncritically, things that are either demonstrably false or could easily be easily be tested (and shown to be false). Theories / hypotheses such as his are a dime an dozen, and usually all 12 of the dozen are wrong. Only occasionally (very seldom, in fact) does a speculative hypothesis about entities and forces unknown to science prove to have some validity.
A similar problem applies to "intelligent design." There are literally dozens of hypotheses about the intelligent design of life (just look around the internet), and most of them are clearly and on the surface scientifically untenable - metaphysical speculations stated as obviously trye assertions. Therefore, any theory of ID which wishes to actually offer a scientific theory has to work to distinguish itself from the "background noise" of unsupportable ideas.
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