Serge Patlavskiy
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posted 18. November 2005 12:02
[Wim De Jong] writes: "This objection from science is mostly answered by stating that the second law only holds for closed systems, and that in open systems - like the earth - chaos can turn into order just by itself".
[S.P.] The problem here is with the phrase "just by itself". This phrase may also mean that chaos can turn into order according to some still unknown principles that cannot be derived from everyday experience. Such is, for example, the Law of development of the integrated information systems which is being derived theoretically (see [1], [2]).
[Wim De Jong] writes: "Every system appears subjected to the omnipresent property of reality that any order finally turns into the ultimate disorder, if directed external effort to maintain the order is stopped".
[S.P.] I would like to know whether, for example, the emergence of the solar system was the process directed from the order to disorder too? Maybe, it would be rational to formalize the solar system (as the self-organized complex system) using the graphic model of the integrated information system - the IIS{solar system} (see [1], Fig. 11c) - and apply the Law of IIS development. As it seems for me, the properties of Reality established on the basis of our subjective everyday experience are not the properties of Reality as it exists as a cognitively independent entity.
[Wim De Jong] writes: "How do the experiments of Miller, Prigogine and Dawkins relate to the second law of thermodynamics, and is it true that the second law only holds for open systems?".
[S.P.] The case is that as follows from [1], Figure 13, the laws of physics have the restricted application only. When we talk about the biological complex system we have to take into account other laws.
[Wim De Jong] writes: "The second law also indicates that not all supplied energy can be transformed into a reduction of the disorder/entropy, but that always some entropy-reduction is lost". "After a longer period of time, open systems that are subjected to random, fluctuating energy flows will turn into the largest possible disorder too, as ruins, ragbags, junkyards and car dumps make clear".
[S.P.] The case is that in biological complex systems the entropy can also be reduces by processing and conceptualizing information (see [3]). That is why the second law of thermodynamics cannot be applied to such kind of systems.
[Wim De Jong] writes: "The emergence of chaos out of order is a property of reality that is as omnipresent and as influential as gravity. Sooner or later, cars break down, paint peels off, ships rust, rooms get untidy and dirty, furniture falls apart, faces sag and become ugly, clothes wear out and tear,
houses and factories go to ruins, tools become unusable, books and CDs unreadable, and chemical substances loose their activity".
[S.P.] We must not forget that the concepts of order and disorder have their meaning only within a certain cognitive frame of reference. In other words, what is the "order" for one person may be a "disorder" for another person.
[Wim De Jong] writes: "The theory of evolution contradicts everyday experience and empirical science".
[S.P.] Sorry, but what we call "Darwinian theory of evolution" is not a theory, but only a hypothesis, a GS-level intellectual product (see [5]).
CONCLUSIONS
As I have pointed out in [4], both Darwinian "theory" of evolution by natural selection and various kinds of creationistic theories (including the theories of panspermism and paleocontact) are apparently wrong: the first one lacks of serious material evidences for speciation (the fact is the total absence of transitional forms), the second ones leave the question "Who has created the creator?" unanswered. But the absence of transitional forms does not necessarily speak in favor of creationism, and it would be incorrect to skip to creationism when we cannot prove the validity of the evolutionism. There perfectly are other natural laws that govern the processes of evolution of Reality.
Regards,
Serge Patlavskiy
[1] http://www.geocities.com/spatlavskiy/ElaborNewParadigm.pdf
[2] http://www.geocities.com/spatlavskiy/FundNonstatanalysis.pdf
[3] http://www.geocities.com/spatlavskiy/KeyIngredients.pdf
[4] http://www.kjf.ca/kjf TA 81-21 (De&Pal) Commentary 25 (to Roberts, C19 and Benjamin, C20) EVOLUTIONISM AND CREATIONISM: BOTH ARE WRONG
[5] "The Applied ADC Theory" at http://www.geocities.com/titanicpsf, section: "Theoretical background".
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