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Topic: Does designer = God?
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Ubermensch
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posted 25. May 2006 10:54
On the question of whether or not our universe has been intelligently designed I try to keep an open mind. Recently I read Gardner's "self biocosm" hypothesis and I must admit that I found the idea thought provoking. Perhaps humanity, through technological innovation will eventually create infant universes -- and perhaps that's how our universe was created also. *An infinite series of creation and discovery*
How would "universe designers" be defined? As demi-gods? Certainly not as God with a capital G...
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Sandor Szabados
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posted 26. May 2006 13:01
Uebermensch,
Why not with a big G? Who could have 'created' the cosmos and life if not a God?
Sandor
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Bruce Fast
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posted 26. May 2006 13:13
Sandor 606, if I understand correctly, the point of this thread has everything to do with the political/ID issue of the first ammendment. If ID requires big G God, then the courts may well require that it not be taught. (I know its childish, but such are the courts these days.) Further, the problem with a big G God is that someone may suggest that we may need to acknowledge and even "worship" this God. For many that is anathima! Does it take more faith to believe in one of the "alternatives" to a big G God than it does to just admit that God did it? I think so. But hey, if that God wants something from me, wants to rob me of some freedom, well maybe the greater faith positon is worth it.
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Sandor Szabados
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posted 26. May 2006 13:28
Bruce,
Your points are valid given the state of evolutionary religion today. However, ID is not a religion because it says absolutely nothing about the Designer, only that there has to be one. There is nothing assumed or implied by the theory in this respect.
Sandor
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Lord Timothy
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posted 06. June 2006 14:14
Uebermensch,
I find your thoughts to be a breath of fresh air as opposed to those who lamely assert Intelligent Design must be a religiously motivated political movement.
I do not see "universe designers" receiving the (G)god's title at all. My guess is if we are the kind of Designers that create these other universes that those who designed us come complete with their own needs and frailties as well. As for defining them, since we are speaking of those who designed this universe and don't really know much about these designers, I believe a simple title of "the Designers" may suffice.
~Tim
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sanc olde
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posted 19. June 2006 03:15
If by big G we mean an entity with attributes unlimited by the attributes of the designed, then I'd cast my vote on the big G. The designer is by default have limitless power compared to what HE/IT has designed.
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